The Progressive Sturmabteilung

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Obamanation is starting to scare me worse than G-Dub’s neo-fascists ever did.  Rick Moran writes in a post at American Thinker:

Opponents of gay marriage in California are suffering the effects of a childish tantrum thrown by those who lost on Proposition 8. There have been attacks on Mormons for leading the fight for the ballot initiative as well as racial epithets hurled at African Americans because 70% of them voted “Yes” to define marriage as between a man and a woman.

Now these activists have taken their derangement to another level; they are publishing lists of ordinary people who donated to the “Yes on 8” coalition

[…]

This is stupid and self defeating. Rather than trying to change their opinion, they are making these people enemies for life. And carrying out pogroms like this against people who oppose gay marriage based on their religious beliefs borders on bigotry.

There are other means of protest to make your displeasure known than targeting individuals. All the gay marriage advocates are doing is sealing their fate the next time such a measure goes before the votes.

I live in California and I voted against Prop H8 because I think gays and lesbians have just as much right to be miserably married as us straight people.  Unfortunately, the majority of the voters here disagreed with me, including a bunch of people who voted for Barack Obama.  While American Thinker is a conservative website, I agree with Rick Moran that targeting individuals, businesses and churches that supported Prop H8 is wrong. 

Not everyone agrees with me, however.  TBogg in a post at Firedoglake titled “Blowback is a Bitch” writes:

The kind of person who contributes money to deny their fellow citizens their civil rights are not someday magically going to be part of the solution: they’re the problem. These are not people to be reasoned with; they’re ignorant, they’re haters and they’re bigots and the only thing people like that understand is power.

So when they stick their noses in other people’s affairs, they forfeit the right to be considered just another “ordinary person”. They’re involved and they would be foolish to expect that those other people in whose private affairs they have meddled wouldn’t return the favor. As they say: you pays your money and you takes your chances.

You “takes your chances” when you exercise a Constitutional right?  When did that become a progressive principle?  From the comments to TBogg’s post:

“Your freedom of speech does *not* include freedom from the consequences. Deal with it.”

and:

“Take no prisoners.”

and:

“If you enlist in the Culture Wars (e.g. writing a check), expect to receive fire.”

and:

“Isn’t there some scripture verse about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind?”

That rhetoric is not very reassuring, is it?  There is a word for people who use intimidation to get their way.  The word is “bully.”  But it doesn’t stop at FDL.  John Cole posted this at Balloon Juice:

This is pretty amusing. After actively campaigning to end the right to marriage for a large group of people, including donating money, blackmailing businesses, and turning the issue into a religious crusade, people are absolutely mortified to find out to be publicly associated with the cause. There is, after all, a reason the Klan wears hoods.

Yeah John, because people who sincerely believe that marriage is a religious sacrament between a man and a woman (a view shared by the candidate you fanatically supported and many of your fellow Obama supporters) are no different than a terrorist organization that lynched black men.  Why, they deserve to be punished, not persuaded! 

Perhaps we should make the people who supported Prop. H8 wear special armbands so they can be easily identified.  Businesses and churches could be required to post signs identifiying them as well.  I seem to recall that tactic being very effective at intimidating people in the past.  I seem to recall you being outraged in the past when conservatives “outed” or retaliated against people they disagreed with.  Hypocrite much?

Leave aside for the moment that targeting political opponents is counter-productive, it is also anathema to democratic principles.  That’s why we have secret ballots.  There is also the “Law of Unintended Consequences” to consider.  Did it ever occur to anyone that targeting donors for retaliation provides a good reason to repeal the laws requiring public disclosure of campaign donations?  Jeebus! 

Progressives used to have principles.  Liberals still do.

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9 Responses to The Progressive Sturmabteilung

  1. edgeoforever says:

    Chilling! remember when we all railed against FISA because we all -rightfully thought that W would keep track of our legitimate political activities? I haven’t heard much about FISA lately – and I don’t suppose I will. What’s sad about some of the Proposition 8 victims -they voted against their interests, their own candidate threw them under the bus
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/bashing-the-clintons-again/
    and now they behave like brown shirts in the name of progress

  2. HT says:

    Delurking. I appreciate your really thoughtful post. I suppose I hadn’t thought through all the possibile implications. I suspect that the LGBT community, who overwhelmingly supported the current pres-to-be thought that he would immediately usher in a new era of tolerance (despite his own words), and when that didn’t happen (quite the contrary), they felt the need to lash out at anyone but their chosen candidate and his supporters. Human nature, I suppose, but when will we learn to look in the mirror before we look out the window? Not in my lifetime and once upon a time I held out hope for my children’s generation but after what I have seen during this election campaign, I fear it won’t be in theirs’ either.

  3. Joanelle says:

    Good grief – indeed, every action has consequences. This bus is about 6′ off the ground at this point and getting mighty crowded – I think we’ll need another bus soon.

  4. hrod.beradt says:

    I have lately been wondering if we would ever see universal acceptance of gay/alternative marriage in the US in this generation. We know that the US is one of the Western world’s most religious countries and as a result, we are also one of the Western world’s most socially conservative. But we are also a country that has a Constitution that is supposed to provide Equal Protection Clause (14th Amendment). We also have civil rights laws that are supposed to protect the rights of citizens. Yet why is it that groups of people are still so heavily discriminated? I really don’t understand this lack of consistency in this country.

  5. keepitupCJs says:

    how dare those negros harass those nice white business owners by holding sit ins in their diners!

    don’t they know how intimidating that is?

    why that is just like the Nazis!

    no decent liberal would countenance such behaviour!

    I blame the savage and brutal obama supporters who base their entire lives on violent misogyny of the most appalling kind!

    thank you, oh great feminist MYIQ2XU, without you I just don’t know what the poor oppressed women of this nation would do!

  6. angienc says:

    Hi myiq — some people over at TC were wondering if you were upset about the brawl this afternoon. I’m sure that clowns have thicker skins than that but told them I would drop by here & let you know they are missing you. Don’t let the bastards get you down.
    Je vous aime toujours bien que vous ne m’aimez pas! 😉

  7. DaleA says:

    This is one of the most ‘missing the point’ essays I have ever read. Gay people’s vote for Obama was down 10% from Kerry’s. Gay people were among Hillary’s most die hard supporters. I worked No on 8, everyone was extremely unenthusiastic about Obama.

    This is a protest against Obama and a Dem party that does not take us seriously. It is a loud FU to the Obama campaign. It is a demand that Obama and the Dems get serious about supporting us.

    Your conclusions are totally without foundation.

  8. myiq2xu says:

    Dale:

    Which conclusions? I based my post on what the people I quoted said. Singling out political opponents for retaliation is wrong.

    Do you disagree with that?

  9. sister of ye says:

    Have these Prop 8 voters being “outed” been threatened with beatings? Having their kids taken away? Are their homes and businesses being vandalized? Are they losing their jobs? Are they somehow being made into second-class citizens?

    The answer is no. If the haters have the Constitutional right to their opinion and vote, then gays and their supporters have their own right of association and free action to not give their friendships and business to those who’d deny them their civil rights.

    Hate me if you want, but there’s no liberal principle I recognize that says I have to pat you on the back for it and tell you you’re a good boy or girl.

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